HOYT

[Amanda Aldridge]

Any experience with Hoyt Katera or the Hoyt Avenger Plus?

Or Bowtech Admiral?

[Eric Anderson]

The Katera and Katera XL are real nice bows and the Z3 cams are nice too, but thay are draw length specific. The XL being 3" longer ATA then the Standard Katera, and 1.5" longer BH (7.5"). Both are very nice shooters as you would expect from Hoyt bows, and differ only slightly from one another. I've shot both and can't complain about either of them. I just set up a Katera XL for a guy yesterday as a matter of fact, and it he loves it. I personally prefer the new Alpha Max's over the Kateras, and especially the AM35. I just don't like the real short ATA bows myself, and the XTR cams on the AM's seem to draw a bit smoother then the Z3 cam but have a very short valley. If you don't want to drop the $$$ on a high dollar bow like the Katera' s or Alpha's, the Avenger Plus is also a real nice choice for an 'entry level' bow. Decent speed (IBO 309) lightweight, and generous BH. I had a BT Admerial earlier this year and shot it for a while and it too is a very nice shooter. It all depends on what you want, what you're more comfortable with, which one you shoot better with, and how much money you want to part with! In all honesty, it's kinda tough to buy a bad bow these days. But out of the 3 you've mentioned, I would opt for the Katera over the rest, or, strongly consider one of the AM's. Good luck!

Eric ->>------>

[Jason Robison]

The bad things I see with hoyt are if you dont put a good string on them the cams are bad to get out of time. When this happens your groups will be crap. I watch guys all the time having to put a half twist in the power cable because they started hitting an inch low at 20 yards. Some people dont care about an inch but the more it comes out of time the harder the bow is to shoot. Hoyts are heavy as well. I guess the admiral is about the same.

Both are good bows. If you can shoot them side by side then pick the one u like the most, after all its u that will be using it.

[Eric Anderson]

The newer Fuse strings on the 2008-2009 Hoyts are a vast improvement over the past string/cables. Hardly any creep at all once the strings are shot in and have had time to settle. Maybe not quite as good as some of the custom BCY 452X pre-stretched stuff, but not too shabby either. A half a twist in the 'power cable' (more commonly referred as the 'buss cable') isn't going to do anything as far as bringing a group an 1" higher at 20 yds. or for that matter, throwing the Cam 1/2 system so far out of synch that your groups will "go to crap". And as far as weight goes, 4 lbs - 4.5 lbs isn't considered a heavy bow by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, they are some of the very lightest bows on the market today. Just something to think about................. :o)

Eric ->>-------->

Jason Robison said:

The bad things I see with hoyt are if you dont put a good string on them the cams are bad to get out of time. When this happens your groups will be crap. I watch guys all the time having to put a half twist in the power cable because they started hitting an inch low at 20 yards. Some people dont care about an inch but the more it comes out of time the harder the bow is to shoot. Hoyts are heavy as well. I guess the admiral is about the same.
Both are good bows. If you can shoot them side by side then pick the one u like the most, after all its u that will be using it.

[Jason Robison]

Im not going to make this a p****** mach but yes a half twist will make a big change. Maybe not to your shooting abilities but at alot of peoples level it will. I have not seen your name at the top of any tournament or bow companies tech list so I will go off of my sucsessful experience and other top shooters in the industries.

That being said, If a string needs to have time to settle in and stretch you need to look at getting an Americas Best string, some poeple dont like to need to take there bow in to have string adjustments made all the time if they donot have the luxury of a press, or if they dont know how to make string changes without a press. If you really think that a hoyt is one of the lighter bow on the market you need to get out more. Several other companies make lighter bows. I never said a hoyt was a bad bow just giving my opinions on the weight.

[Eric Anderson]

No p****** match here rookie. I've been wrenching on bows and running a shop for over 20 years. No need to argue, but I'd be willing to guess that I have a few years on you anyway. You know and believe what you want, and I'll do the same. But to conclude that I need to get out more, well, I'd be more then happy to put up any one of my tune jobs and shooting ability against anything you can come up with any day. But I digress... Perhaps you can enlighten me on who is making a bow that's much lighter then 3.9 lbs. All strings need to be shot in and settled regardless who makes them, and strings do not 'stretch', they 'creep'. But I'm not going to waste any more of my time having a battle of knowledge and experience with an unarmed opponent. Off you go......... :o)

Jason Robison said:

Im not going to make this a p****** mach but yes a half twist will make a big change. Maybe not to your shooting abilities but at alot of peoples level it will. I have not seen your name at the top of any tournament or bow companies tech list so I will go off of my sucsessful experience and other top shooters in the industries.
Perhaps you can enlighten me on what 'several other companies' have anything much lighter the 3.9 lbs.?? All strings need to be shot in and settled regardless of you makes them. And strings don't 'stretch', they 'creep'. I can tell by your reply that I have probably forgotten more about bow tuning then you'll ever know, so thank you for the lesson, sonny boy...... :o) That being said, If a string needs to have time to settle in and stretch you need to look at getting an Americas Best string, some poeple dont like to need to take there bow in to have string adjustments made all the time if they donot have the luxury of a press, or if they dont know how to make string changes without a press. If you really think that a hoyt is one of the lighter bow on the market you need to get out more. Several other companies make lighter bows. I never said a hoyt was a bad bow just giving my opinions on the weight.

[Jason Robison]

Hoyts in general are heavy bow. not just one inpaticular. anything that starts at one length and gets longer stretches or whatever you want to call it, the cams creep and the strings stretch. And if you want to put your money where your mouth is we can shoot at any time. Ill even come to mich to do it, or there is always vegas, nationals, any of the IBO or ASA take your pick.

Amanda sorry for the bickering on your post. I just get tired of the old school never was guys on different websites wanting to be better than they are. I have proof of my archery earnings and titles. Just caught me on a crabby day to speak my mind.

well I wont bicker anymore

[Eric Anderson]

Just having fun, brother, Cease fire.............. :o) Cheers..

Jason Robison said:

Hoyts in general are heavy bow. not just one inpaticular. anything that starts at one length and gets longer stretches or whatever you want to call it, the cams creep and the strings stretch. And if you want to put your money where your mouth is we can shoot at any time. Ill even come to mich to do it, or there is always vegas, nationals, any of the IBO or ASA take your pick.

Amanda sorry for the bickering on your post. I just get tired of the old school never was guys on different websites wanting to be better than they are. I have proof of my archery earnings and titles. Just caught me on a crabby day to speak my mind.

well I wont bicker anymore

[Jason Robison]

I hear ya. ; )

[Larry Folsom]

You Guy's settle down now, I like and shoot Kodiak Titan it is one of those good bow's you don't hear about but the shoot great The Mini Max bow from Kodiak is a lite super shooting bow . Get what you like these days you can't hardly go wrong If you want a short bow go with a hickory creek I bet you guys hadden heard of these but they are good bows

[Eric Anderson]

I saw one a guy who had a little while ago at one of the local 3D shoots .I want to say it was a Magnum something....23/24?? Never shot it or saw it being shot. I seem to remember that it had some kind of different looking riser on it with a handle looking thing. Anyway, like you said, lots of good stuff out there. Kinda like arguing politics or ballistics, a lot of gray area....... Larry, peace, bother. The darn thing about typng is there's no voice behind the words so you can't tell how things are being said. Know what I mean.....? :o) Y'all have a great 4th of July holiday weekend and stay safe!

Eric ->>------->X<---------

[Travis Roberts]

Id go and shoot all the bows you like...they are all nice bows...im partial to BT so id say the admiral but i personally like the first generation centerpivots over the new 09's...i have a buddy with that katera and he loves it...its a really nice bow too...your just going to have to shoot them and let the bow pick you...

LOL...That has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever heard....
Jason Robison said:

The bad things I see with hoyt are if you dont put a good string on them the cams are bad to get out of time. When this happens your groups will be crap. I watch guys all the time having to put a half twist in the power cable because they started hitting an inch low at 20 yards. Some people dont care about an inch but the more it comes out of time the harder the bow is to shoot. Hoyts are heavy as well. I guess the admiral is about the same.

Both are good bows. If you can shoot them side by side then pick the one u like the most, after all its u that will be using it.

[Tom (Team Top Shot)]

I have the admiral and i like it alot, its light,fast,short. but really its what you like . i dont know a whole lot about the other ones